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New Zealand politics was a gentler art in the pre-Muldoon early 70s when superstar English TV interviewer David Frost made the first of two series down under. Here, he talks to Prime Minister Norman Kirk, and opposition leader Jack Marshall. Kirk is assured and statesmanlike (an act that proves hard for Marshall — or NZ politics since — to follow) as he discusses topics ranging from supporting beneficiaries, to opposing French nuclear testing. ‘Big Norm’ purposefully talks about being in the job for another 25 years. Tragically, he died in office 13 months later.

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 David Frost
 Kevan Moore
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A true statesman, non of our politicians of any party now can compare to this man.



So sad that Norm Kirk didn't live to fulfill a vision of New Zealand politics that was sensitive, astute, considered, egalitarian and polite. All old fashioned stuff but I am sad that I am too young to have fully experienced his leadership (I was 14 in 1973). We could have had a different country had Big Norm lived longer, and I'm sure it would be a less divisive and selfish society than the one we have now. Where are the leaders like Norm today? We need them.



Both excellent men, both so sadly wrong about the future. I liked that the interview focused mostly on substance rather than who's-up-who's-down, and that both men were diplomatic and polite but had actual answers to the questions. Clark and Key could take lessons from them!



Thank you



I am in awe of what we lost. Look at the demeanour of John Key, who slurs the left like it is his favourite past time.

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